01-12-2010 05:14 PM
Dave, your to good. I made a mistake. I said "if you select Evlp/Pkg, you will not be prompted to enter a Zip or Zone, but if you select Flat Evlp/Pkg, you will need to enter a Zip or Zone." This is backwards.
I meant to say "If you select Evlp/Pkg, you will be prompted to enter a Zip or Zone, but if you select Flat Rt Evlp, you will not need to enter a Zip or Zone." So, Flat Rate mail should not require the Zip or Zone.
01-19-2010 12:50 PM
We have downloaded the CBP update, and are to the understanding that we don't send the quanitity of mail that this requires to be able to get these prices, can the update be reversed and get our old prices back?
01-19-2010 07:25 PM
There is no quantity requirement for CBP. The only real requirement is using a meter or Click-N-Ship to apply postage.
The quantity requirement is for Commercial Plus Pricing. This is a discount beyond CBP for large-volume mailers. You need to have a history of a large volume of Priority and/or Express mail and promise to keep it up for another year to qualify.
You're using a meter, you qualify for CBP.
01-19-2010 09:23 PM
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01-20-2010 12:34 PM
Can you tell me how much volume of priority mail I have to process to get
the commercial plus rate? We process a couple hundred a day and I
am very interested in the even lower rate. Thanks
01-21-2010 01:41 PM
Here's what the Postal Service says:
"On Jan. 18, 2009, USPS implemented a new pricing tier for high-volume shippers called commercial plus prices. These prices are even lower than commercial base prices to provide greater incentives for larger Priority Mail customers. Priority Mail commercial plus prices are available to existing permit imprint customers who qualify for commercial base prices and whose account volume exceeded 100,000 pieces in the previous calendar year, and to PMOD customers who qualify for commercial base prices and shipped more than 600 PMOD containers in the previous calendar year. Priority Mail commercial plus prices are also available to registered end-users of USPS-approved PC Postage products who qualify for commercial base prices and whose account volume exceeded 100,000 pieces in the previous calendar year.
New and existing Priority Mail customers can qualify for commercial plus prices by entering into a Customer Commitment Agreement. Customers should contact their Postal Service account manager or the Office of Commercial Pricing at firstname.lastname@example.org for additional information."
This is a direct attempt by the Postal Service to keep your business away from FedEx and UPS. Frankly, with your mail volume I'm suprised that you haven't gotten a phone call or visit from your Postal Service Account Manager or Business Service Network Representative.
01-21-2010 02:28 PM
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01-22-2010 01:36 PM
You're looking for Section 423, paragraph 1.2 of the Domestic Mail Manual
a. Click-N-Ship customers.
c. Customers using permit imprint when a postal routing barcode matching the destination ZIP Code is on the mailpiece (see 708.5.0). Flat-shaped mailpieces (see 301.1.1) with permit imprints may bear a POSTNET or Intelligent Mail barcode (see 708.4.0) instead of the postal routing barcode.
d. Priority Mail Open and Distribute customers using permit imprint when a Service barcode containing a unique service type code 55 is on the address label under 705.16.5.7.
e. Customers who pay postage using information-based indicia (IBI) postage meters in conjunction with an approved shipping label that bears a confirmation services barcode with a postal routing code (see 708.5.0).
f. Customers using USPS-approved IBI postage meters that print the IBI with the appropriate price marking ("Commercial Base Price," "Commercial Base Pricing," or "ComBasPrice") and electronically transmit transactional data to the USPS.
Essentially, if you are a Click-N-Ship or Postage by Phone customer you probably qualify. The deal is if you are paying postage electronically and transmitting information about the mailpiece to the Postal Service either directly or through a third party like Pitney Bowes you are giving the Postal Service a "heads up" and you've paid the postage. This makes life easier for the Postal Service and they reward you with lower rates.
In order to fully qualify for the reduced rate you need to use a label that has a verified delivery address with a plus 4 zip code AND a delivery confirmation bar code. Some PB software may be able to produce these labels, but you can download Shipping Assistant free from USPS.com. You will either require a PBP account number or a Mailer ID or both, I don't remember. It runs on a PC and I don't think there is a Mac version. It's also supposed to run on Vista and probably Windows 7 (PB, you're behind the curve on this one). The labels can be printed on an inkjet or laser printer, and it also supports the Zebra LP-2844Z thermal printer. The thermal printer is the cheapest way to go, but if you don't have one they start around $500 so that's something to think about. The labels for regular printers are kind of pricey.
When you enter a delivery address into SA it will connect with the Postal Service and verify the address, correcting it if necessary, and add the plus 4. It does a lot of other stuff too. but I've said enough for now.
I made this post back in November. Today it's still unclear who qualifies for CBP. My local Postal officials have not been forthcoming with a definitive answer. I missed my November Postal Customer Council meeting and we didn't have one in December. However we had our January meeting Wednesday and CBP was on the agenda.
Our Postal representative first explained the difference between Commercial Based Pricing and Commercial Plus Pricing, thus assuring me that she knew the difference. She then went on to the eligibility requirements (which are listed above). Up to this point she was telling us that we all qualified. When she read paragraph (e) she revealed that the assumption was that meters had the capability of printing the required labels. We explained to her that the meters only print the postage and that printing a label required more equipment and software.
Then she said we didn't qualify, so I directed her attention to paragraph (f). This paragraph has no requirement for a label, but it does require that the meter, "electronically transmit transactional data to the USPS."
We don't know what that means. I suspect it means that when the postage is printed, information about the size, weight and destination of the mailpiece is sent to the Postal Service, which is what happens when I use Shipping Assistant to create a label. It could just mean that a "known mailer" is sending a Priority Mail package.
As I also suspected she told us that here in Alaska they don't have the manpower to enforce the rules, which explains why my Priority Mail without labels hasn't been returned. That may change. At this point I would stick to my guns and challenge any Postal employee that returned my Priority Mail due to ineligibility to define "transactional data" and claim eligibility under paragraph (f).
So my question is, does the meter on my DM1000 "electronically transmit transactional data to the USPS?" If the answer is no, then we need the option to print the retail price for Priority Mail.
01-26-2010 10:22 AM
I just wanted to let you know I am researching this. You do pose an interesting question here. I want to make sure we find the correct answer to your question. I will let you know as soon as I find the answer.
01-26-2010 10:46 AM
DM-Series Mailing Systems who qualify for Commercial Based Pricing (those not considerd a Contract Postal Unit) all upload transaction data to Pitney Bowes every time the customer connects to Pitney Bowes to either get postage, upload confirmation services transactions, etc. Pitney Bowes reconciles the data for the USPS, and send it to them automatically the first week of every month. We collect data on a running three month average, so if a customer does not connect for any reason in a given month, the data simply carries forward to the next month.
We do not have an automatic upload and/or scheduler at this time, as all system data uploads and downloads must be initiated from the customer. The customer does not need to be concerned about the data transmissions, as Pitney Bowes and the USPS reconcile the data.